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2007年11月14日星期三

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tan81 说...

To beginner or KIM,

sorry for late reply. I have done study on F&N. hope you will come back here and see this comment.

F & N is a profitable company. its recent 5 years ROE is at 12% and this amount is increasing year by year.

This up trend is happened to its dividend, too. It is a good company.

But, problem is the share price now. Based on my stats, if you buy in RM8.00, and keep for 10 years, and F&N able to maintain ROE at 12%, your return is only 10% every year.

Of coz, this calculation may wrong if F&N is growing and achieve higher ROE.

From my personal comparison, its share price is high compare to low ROE, this will limit your return of investment, even it is a profitable company. there are some others better choice.

KIM is welcome to continue this discussion.

匿名 说...

Hi TAN 81,

Recently i noticed the genting international listing in singapore is a good share to invest, as the share price is vy low compare with the genting in malaysia.

after 2 years once the IR singapore done, the price of the share will growing at least one time.

this is my personal opinion, please advise your comment.

tan81 说...

KING 82, 你好。我会尽我的能力帮助你。

首先,我对新加坡的股市没有研究。完全不了解新加坡云顶的业务,也不知道新加坡的经济情况。我只能建议你提供一些数字给我,让我帮你作财务数字的分析。

股价,只是相对的,因为市场先生是以他的情绪来买卖股票。价值是绝对的,企业的生意或利润,并不会随着价格而飘浮。因此,分析其企业的价值,会比只比较企业的股价来得有保障。

如果可以,麻烦你提供新加坡云顶的近5年和3年ROE,ROA,EPS,历史平均的PE,分红(如有),5年前的 NTA 和目前的 NTA 以及近期的市价。

希望能帮助你解答问题。

匿名 说...

Hi Tan81,

Thanks for your reply,pls link to website as below to get the necessary information.

http://info.sgx.com/serviceapp.nsf/Cpy/G13

thank you

tan81 说...

sorry, i worry that i have no time to do that. may you please extract out those figures and i just comment on it? So sorry for can't help you in taking the figures. The way to do it just like i mention in the articles.

If you have any difficulties, you are welcome all the time.

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

Hey tan81

May i know where i can get the annual report of every company from the website?

tan81 说...

已经回答你了。
在 Blog Post 25,可以看到。
或者,

http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/company_announcements/announcements/index.jsp

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

Hey, the link u give me is not exists ... Do u have another links? Thx...

匿名 说...

http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/company_announcements/annual_reports/

tan81 说...

thanks for helping qweter question. Everyone here is encouraged to help others people answer their questions.I believe with more involves,then we may learn more.

Thanks!

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

Hey tan81,

Can u do me a favour? Can u help me do some research in DXN Holding? I dunno wat business it involved.

THX...

tan81 说...

will come back to you when i free. i still own Jeff an opinion about his investment. so sorry. I will do this before CNY.

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

Its ok... Nvm... "Man man lai"
:P

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

What invest in share can get except the dividend??

tan81 说...

do you mean dividend with tax exempted?

Normally, invest in mesdaq share, you have more chances to get tax exempted on their dividend. the others is 26% of tax.

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

yeah... Thanks 4 your answer...
U know the meaning of the company of 大笨象型(Stalwarts)right? Can u explain in detail?

tan81 说...

根据林区的分类,大笨象型是属于成熟期的成长型公司。一家公司成立后,必然有开拓市场的创业期,然后站稳阵脚后,就继续扩大市场的占有率,那是快速成长期,当成为行业中的领航者,就变成大笨象型,此时,依然成长,只是不会高速成长。当公司成长达到饱和,并没有能力开拓新市场时,就会变成缓慢成长型。

TopGlove,Pbbank,Genting,PBB,等蓝筹股,多数是大笨象型。

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

Hey... Do u have do some research on mutual fund? Or u know any website that have annual report about mutual fund.

tan81 说...

看来你不是太了解我的文章内容。
我是不鼓励人们投资 Mutual fund 的。
Mutual fund 是没有财务报告的。不过,通常他们会有免费的季节性的刊物,可以向销售员索取。

Bursa Daily Trade Statistics 说...

Oh.. ic.. I thought mutual fund got annual report one.I have a friend who told me he had earned a lots in mutual, he suggest me to invest. By the way thanks for your reply.

tan81 说...

Jack 说...
1。PE=0.42/5.15=8.2.
2.Net assets per share attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent (RM)=股息是吗?
3。DY是4.6% 。DY=2/42*100=4.7%是这样算吗?
4。turnover=营业额=64milion,算是好吗?
5。看报告除了看这些还要注意什么?
6.漏了ROE,ROE=5.15/0.2685=19.2%.

匿名说...
1。看了你的数据,本益比是5.6倍,ROE=0.185,NTA=EPS/ROE=5.18/0.185=28%.
想知道你的NTA是那里找到的。=0.28?
NTA=Net Assets per shareTOTAL=0.28??
EQUITY AND LIABILITIES =净资产?

2。你的数据是从FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE 4TH QUARTER ENDED 31 DECEMBER 2007拿的吧,这和FINANCIAL PERIOD UNDER REVIEW有些分别,我们该看哪一个?为什么会有分别?

3。Individual Quarters是最近的一季?Cumulative Quarter=4季总共对吗?

4。Audited和Unaudited的分别?
audit=审计, 稽核, 查帐.

tan81 说...

不知道你们是否同一个人,所以结合一起来讨论。

PE=share price/EPS
NTA=Net assets per share attributable to ordinary equity holders of the parent
DY=dividend/share price
ROE=EPS/NTA
EQUITY AND LIABILITIES =总资产
NET ASSETS=净资产
Individual Quarters是最近的一季Cumulative Quarter=4季总和
Audited是稽核过的

没有听过
FINANCIAL PERIOD UNDER REVIEW

我建议各位用财务字典的Link,去查财务数字。或可以善用部落格的search。

tan81 说...

Tan, Agoo又来啦!有关Megan假账一事,TRADE RECEIVABLES 会在常年报告出来吗?TRADE RECEIVABLES 越高,风险也跟着提高了?是这样的吗?Thanks!

以上是Agroo的问题。

tan81 说...

以下是我的回答。

Trade Receivables是应受款项。它不是现金。例子,Megan 把产品卖出去了,售价是RM1百万,可是还没收到钱。这一百万将会出现在Trade Receivables,而且盈利会包括这一百万。问题是,Megan把它的产品卖给子公司,其实是转让给子公司。Megan的盈利依然看俏,实际上,它的产品并没有卖出。

持续几个季度,Trade Receivables 就跟着盈利一起上升。不过,Megan是没有收到现金的。最后,纸保不住火时,它被逼要注销这笔Trade Receivables,因为无法收到钱。

我的建议是,投资有足够现金的公司。不要只注重EPS,因为盈利是可以通过Trade Receivables 来灌水的。

Trade Receivables 记录在财务报告的Balance Sheet里,属于资产。

可是对我而言,只有手上的现金才是资产。

tan81 说...

WYX 问:
hi, im new in investing area.
May i know how many types of accounts are there in share trading?
Im afraid that i might open a wrong type of account as i see some people owing alot of debts to securities firms if the share price they are holding keep falling. I dont understand how this could happen if you can hold your shares and sell until time is right. Do we need to deposit an amount of money if you want to open a trading account in an investment bank? Is it safe to use online share trading? Im quite interested in the online share trading service in CIMB, dont know if it is secured.
Sorry if my questions look stupid.Im just confused over some procedures in share trading.
Thank you for helping and sharing.

tan81 说...

我的意见是,WYX 应该去任何一间投资银行,例如大众银行,了解一下股票买卖的程序和种类。他们的职员非常乐意帮助你。
我不是这个行业的,恕我不懂许多分类和程序。

tan81 说...

J: can u tell me what is present KLCI average PE, and how it calculated?TQ

请善用我主页的Link。UsefulInvestment LInk 里的Worldwide Stock Figures,
可以找到答案。

目前的本益比是14。

沙米 说...

hi,我是股市新人。市场浏览您的博客,受益不浅。
我刚开了一个博客,里头写了一个关于AIRASIA 的数据分析,想请 TAN81 指教。由于刚学看财报,不知道对不对。希望TAN81能抽空去帮忙检查,谢谢。

http://hooikie.blogspot.com/2008/04/airasia-5099.html

tan81 说...

首先,我不认为AIRASIA是值得投资的好公司。如果你有兴趣做研究的,请参考 INVESTKLSE 的部落格。他的研究很完整。你可以对照。

当然,欢迎你提出任何问题来讨论。

tan81 说...

kent: hi tan, sorry that i wrote in eng. as i do no know to use chinese input. I'm new in investment. I wonder when u refer the PE, EPS, ROE, etc, do u just based on latest data or u average out ?

tan81 说...

My answer:
kent, Nvm ,you are welcome.
about the financial figures, their trend is more important than the figures.You suppose to compare them, rather that average them. Observe their changes,then you will find some idea about the company biz changes.

匿名 说...

从你的blog里我发现了,版主应该可说是安华的支持者,拥护者和爱护着,安华是一个很有天分的“政客”,“说客”,或者可说是很有魅力的演说家,跟可以说成是一代枭雄,就宛如当年曹操, 但我希望版主可以更明确的去了解安华在位时对人民所做出的种种措施,导致了很多经济与政治上的错误决策,加重了人民的负担,绝对不像他现在所说的那么“好听”和简单,版主应该更深入的去了解和探讨安华在位时,对人民,尤其是对"华人",“华社”所提议出的种种措施,导致了尤其严重的后果。。。我在此强调,我在这里不是要对任何一位行使人身攻击,我也绝对不是BN的支持者,但是我希望版主能更加注意他在政治报道上的选择。(由于版主的网站会影响大部分人的政治及经济观念,所以特写留言以提醒版主,希望版主看过此留言后,对安华的看法会有些许改变。。。)

tan81 说...

谢谢你的留言。
看完你的留言后,我对安华的看法没有任何改变。期待你的分享。

其实,我不是他的拥护者。

我只是支持国家政府必须轮替。Pak Lah 可以被取代,安华也可以被取代。没有任何政党,或人可以长期拥有政治权位。政权,使人腐败。

给你我做首相,也一样。

真正可以就人民与水火的,是民主制度。

国阵这个毒瘤,必须去除。安华成为了毒瘤,也必须去除。

不能再有任何理由,让我们继续收藏国阵这颗毒瘤。

Unknown 说...

Tan 81你好!
其实我对annual report 还是不清楚,到底要怎样得到NTA,还有就是应该看audited or un audited 的 ?
http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/company_announcements/announcements/index.jsp和
http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/company_announcements/annual_reports/index.jsp
有什么分别。可以怎样学习看annual report?

kimken1920 说...

你好!
其实我对annual report 还是不清楚,到底要怎样得到NTA,还有就是应该看audited or un audited 的 ?
http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/company_announcements/announcements/index.jsp和
http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/listed_companies/company_announcements/annual_reports/index.jsp
有什么分别。可以怎样学习看annual report?

Alan 说...

hi tan,can i ask you a question?
how did you know that the share you buy is belong to "high dividend" or "low devidend"? is it your own calculation or the data from annual report?

tan81 说...

是拿周息率来比较。
股息要比较投资的股价,才有意义。